59: Beatles Punk and Grunge

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In this special episode, Robert and Richard explore the possible connections between the Beatles and later generations of artists, whether influenced by or reacting to. Also: an exclusive interview with producer/musician Butch Vig (Nirvana – Smashing Pumpkins – Garbage), offering insights into Nirvana’s particular fascination and latter-day collaboration.  

Songs include “And I Love Her” and “Cut Me Some Slack.”

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  1. Skiffle, hip hop, early rock and roll, grimme, ska its always the kids taking music back from the adults it seems. It was simply labelled it the 70s but been going on for a long time

  2. Great show !!! I loved the Pixies cover, I didn’t know it and I thought i knew all Pixes songs.
    I wouldn’t have played that terrible techno song with Paul’s vocals. That was a really bad song.

  3. Very interesting show, I never really thought about these aspects before! Just a comment to Robert in particular: I think you were a little hard on the Gallagher brothers. Having grown up with Oasis, I love both Oasis and Beatles, and Oasis – to me – is all about the melodies, borrowing a lot, but with style. Setting the record straight, both Liam’s and Noel’s mantras in the mid-nienties were “we’re not better the the Beates since nobody can be – but we’re gonna be bigger than the beatles”. Big headed? – Yes. True (in retrospect)? – No. But I think they paid enough respect and did a lot to promote the Bealtes, playing I am the walrus live hundreds of time, covering a lot of other Beatles tracks etc. not to be dismissed that quickly! 🙂

    Anyway – LOVE your show. Keep up the good work!

    cheers,
    Erik

  4. Thank goodness we’ve gotten that topic out of the way. Let’s never speak of it again. While I understand that all styles build on what’s gone before, what started with punk music and has continued to this day shows that the musicians completely failed to build properly on the ground work that had been done. Once punk struck its first blow, people panicked and lost the plot. The whole punk, new wave and grunge styles were a huge disappointment and we’ve paid a price with very few interesting artists that produce music that’s innovative and has wide spread appeal as was happening in the 60s & 70s. Even now, there seems to be suspicion about anyone who plays an instrument well. All plaudits seem to go to musicians who produce music with a punkish, hard edge. Music now seems to divide along party lines rather than bring together. I’m sure people will hate my dinosaurish viewpoint, but it’s how I feel about what happened to music in the late 1970s. No wonder I still like the Beatles and the Stones… And didn’t much like this episode! Cheers everyone.

  5. The Beatles were an amazing catalyst for an explosion of talent and opportunity and so was punk. Pre the Pistols and the Clash British music had run out of steam. The punk explosion, more in the UK than the US, generated a wave of new acts and creativity. It was a great time just like the middle 60’s.

    Strange comment about Billy Idol not being a punk. Billy was one of the original punks He was a member of the so called Bromley Contingent, a group of followers and fans of th Sex Pistols. The “Contingent” included Siouxsie Sue. Before forming Generation X he was in early punk band Chelsea.

    1. Hey Richard and Robert,

      Well done.

      One thing I was surprised that you guys didn’t mention was Polythene Pam – which is totally Punk … lyrics ‘n’ all.

      Whats your take?

      Cheers!

      1. Can’t argue with that, Fischer! I’d say the same thing applies to “Piggies” – but for the arrangement, it’s pretty punk.

  6. Terrific show. I kept waiting for a mention of the origin of the Ramones’ band name – which they borrowed from Paul’s Silver Beatles-era stage name…

  7. No mention of “Spin it on”, “Old Siam Sir”, “Angry” – very punk Paul tunes.
    And to give SO much credit to Curt and what he thought… never understood the big attraction there and I’m from Seattle.

    1. That’s by a now-defunct band from the Southern US called Virgos Merlot. It was from a 2001 compilation called Listen To What The Man Said, a sort of alternative rock tribute collection.

  8. While I love both of you guys, including Richard the Lennonista, I cannot understand the trashing Of What’s The New Mary Jane. I just LOVE that track, esp. the 6+ minute version. I also love the LONG version of You Know My Name.

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