124: Finding The Fourth Beatle with David Bedford

 
You may already know the author of Liddypool  and The Fab 104 for his meticulous research in already well-trod grounds. But with his latest work, David Bedford reveals new revelations – some of them shocking. In Finding The Fourth Beatle, David brings a fresh interpretation and critical new analysis to Beatles scholarship, going where the evidence leads him regarding the truth behind Pete Best’s parting ways with the group, as well as the process of recruitment that (eventually) led to Ringo. There is also new light shed on the 18 (!) Beatle drummers, the Decca audition, Brian’s unsigned managerial contract and those who might have been Beatles – but weren’t.
David is also working on an accompanying documentary and a companion CD release. Find out more at  https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/finding-the-fourth-beatle

13 thoughts on “124: Finding The Fourth Beatle with David Bedford”

  1. It’s super-annoying that McCart can’t be gotten on the record about this. i.e. In a perfect world, a load of excellent research wouldn’t be necessary at all: we would just ask him what the heck happened, all those years ago.

      1. I dunno. I feel he certainly does know, in the same way we that we all remember key events from our lives, even if many decades old (like me!) But you’re saying that he won’t say, or would mislead, or would colour the story to present a “truth” the way he wanted it presented. Or, just naturally reluctant like all of us humans, to present a picture that might not paint us in the best light. Yeah, perhaps.

        lol, but I wish *someone* would ask him what those strange sounds are at the beginning of Revolution I. (White alb version) A washboard, perhaps?

        In the same way: there’s always lots of Internet discussion whether that is actually a metronome on Blackbird. It seems to me: Just ask him! 🙂

      1. Michael Evangeline

        Quite a pretty track, Haymans Green. Pete Best has always been a gentleman when talking about the Beatles. His affection for John Lennon never waned. My inner feeling is that Pete had already won the lottery (his mother actually) and so did not share a certain ‘poverty line’ as the others (John having squandered his opportunities). Ringo fitted the ‘working class hero’ jacket better. And by the way, isn’t the “atom-beat” (ie,4 on 4) TECHNO?

  2. History is more or less bunk?? Well, Beatles history is constantly being re-written, once again by the excellent David – great show, – just when you think that All These Years left pretty much no stone unturned? Thx Robert as ever – keep ’em comin’.

      1. I have known David for awhile now he simply the best Liverpool Beatles connection period. I too am waiting for the book. Hoping that Pete is ok with all of the attention this will bring. Looking forward to the real story told well.

      2. Hi there, I’ve heard a couple of David’s interviews on different shows, very interesting. Im in Australia and in the mid 80’s I worked with a lady from Liverpool. Once at the office Christmas party I started talking to them about the Beatles. She told me that she had met Rings at a party once and also told me that when Love Me Do originally came out a lot of people’s reaction was ‘Whats that racket?’. Made me think at the time, not everyone was hanging out at the Cavern.

    1. This.

      Listening to this interview, two things seem clear to me.

      The first is that Bedford, despite all the claimed research, is not historian – he’s a guy with some hunches and tries very hard to support those hunches with bits and pieces of inconclusive evidence. The June 6, 1962 EMI session is a good example in that it’s a mystery that will likely never be solved due to conflicting testimony and evidence, but that doesn’t stop Bedford from making a conclusion based on a gut feeling he has. Likewise his suppositions about the Decca audition and how Decca had no intention of signing them – there’s just no evidence to support that. Yes, he’s entitled to an opinion, but that turns this work into something other than non-fiction.

      The second is his completely ridiculous thesis about Pete’s firing and the other Beatles’ – as well as Epstein’s – fear that Pete would get an attorney to protest it. Bedford’s mistake here is looking at a 1962 event involving a young and unsuccessful local band through a 2017 Beatles Inc. lens. Simply put, thousands of people were and are kicked out of bands every year and very few – now, but especially then – take legal action. The idea that a 20 year old drummer in Liverpool in 1962 – a tough city – would, upon being kicked out of his band, take legal counsel beggars belief. What Bedford might have done to support this thesis is examine all of the other similar cases in Liverpool at the time and present evidence that this 1) had happened and 2) bore any fruit for the litigants. Pete Best getting kicked out of the Beatles is just a drummer who got kicked out of a band. Lewisohn, based on numerous interviews with people who were there at time, has closed the door on this.

      In a post-Lewisohn “Tune-In” world, this kind of hobbyist history is almost a complete waste of time. And when take the hyperbole about the book in it’s PR material into account, along with the books extremely hefty price tag, I can’t imagine there’s anything to recommend. Enough ripping off of the fans already.

      1. Dan,

        You seem to think that historians deal exclusively with hard facts. A large part of historian’s work is to make the inconclusive and the partial take on a conclusive appearance—at least provisionally—to draw inferences. Do you really think history is a science free of supposition and speculation? Historians connect the dots, they are not pointillists in possession of every atom. You say of Bedford, “he’s a guy with some hunches and tries very hard to support those hunches with bits and pieces of inconclusive evidence.” This sound quite close to what a writer of history or biography does. Do you not see that?

        Although it would have been nice to have someone on the program such as Lewisohn to push back or debate Bedford’s musings, Bedford is candid about areas in which evidence is thus far lacking (many historians, since you want to hold him to that standard, are not).

        Without swallowing Bedford’s thesis whole, I think his speculation is informed and with regard to the Decca audition, for example, it makes good sense. You say that Bedford’s thesis about Pete’s firing is “completely ridiculous” but it seems that you don’t grasp it. Bedford doesn’t say that anyone actually thought that Pete would get an attorney, only that, as Pete was indeed under contact—does a contract qualify as evidence for you?—, that Epstein et al proceeded with due legal caution. This seems to me very far from “completely ridiculous.”

        As for your dismissal of “hobbyist history,” I wonder what counts for you as “professional” history. Does Mark Lewisohn, since you mention him, even consider himself a professional historian?

        Finally, it seems to me, the job of a historian is not to “close the door”—to use your metaphor—on debate, but to promote further inquiry. So, Dan, maybe you’d like to have at it.

      2. It appears Dan is a Mark Lewisohn disciple through and through: a heckler in a room full of spaakers, sarcastically crying out but failing to be taken seriously. I too, heard Lewisohn’s interview and discerned, not a historian, but a writer displaying a little irritation that his god given right to Beatle history had been questioned by an upstart historian who had dared to question his own assumptions, when in fact Bedford had got something right (and aren’t all writers peeved when they get it wrong?) No matter, Bedford and I simply unearthed a truly great, and so far, hidden story, well worthy of being told and every inch of the work was extensively researched and laboriously tested, including one to one recorded interviews with the witnesses. How do I know this? Because I was the book’s silent co-author and spent many months on due diligence to test the material, so I can say, with honesty that it all stacks up. If I have any criticism of Bedford at all, it is that he doesn’t know where or when to stop. In my opinion the book is overlong. A shorter version would have been easier to read. But that is all. As an accredited film producer,(Looking For Lennon and Get Back), I hope do the film of the book in due course and yes, show a lot more of the many learned men who were there. As for Dan, my advice is to write your own book, meanwhile don’t criticise unless you have done the research and can stand up to refute the facts, not ridicule out of ignorance.

    2. Hi Dan,
      Thanks for your comments on the interview. I am actually an historian because I follow the evidence, wherever it goes, and not always to places I expect. What I have said is backed up with supporting evidence, not supposition. Let me take each point:
      1) June EMI session. We have a lot of evidence based on numerous interviews over the years, so I am not sure which aspect of this session you are contesting. Can you elaborate for me and I will happily answer you.
      2) Decca signing The Beatles. I say this as an opinion, but not blindly. Considering all the evidence and interviews over the years, it is a supposition. I don’t say it is more than that.
      3) Ridiculous thesis on Pete’s firing. It isn’t a thesis or wild speculation, but based on the evidence we have always had, plus the crucial interview with Brian Epstein’s lawyer who gave Brian the advice on how to get rid of Pete Best, and how to do it. The conclusions are based on Brian’s lawyer telling me how it was done, so there is no theory in this. Unless you can come up with an eyewitness who can provide evidence that can contradict what Brian’s lawyer has told me happened, and all the legal implications, then I will listen to you. You can disagree with me if you like, call me any names you like, and argue with me. But you have to argue with evidence to contradict the evidence in front of us. In a post-Lewisohn Beatle world nothing can be ruled out. I have the utmost respect for Mark and we have known each other for years. Also, if you examine Tune In, a lot of this evidence can be found there too as he interviewed the same lawyer, but I was able to ask a couple of questions that took that a little further.
      4) Yes, band members get fired all the time, and I put this to the lawyer who gave me the advice that he gave Brian too. John, Paul, George and Pete signed a Partnership agreement in December 1961 (this is disclosed for the first time) and so they were a legal partnership. They were the first band to do this. This means that as Brian was employed by The Beatles he couldn’t fire Pete – he had no authority. And secondly, in the eyes of the law, John Paul and George couldn’t fire Pete. Now most of the time, nothing more happens, but look at some of the high-profile band break-ups where they start arguing about who can use the band name etc. It happens. To quote your comments “The idea that a 20 year old drummer in Liverpool in 1962 – a tough city – would, upon being kicked out of his band, take legal counsel beggars belief.” Pete did take legal advice and Brian’s lawyer showed me the correspondence. Unfortunately, Pete got bad advice and sued Brian, which was easy for Brian’s lawyer to keep refuting. But don’t take my word for it – that is also in Tune In.

      I follow evidence, so if you can provide some evidence that contradicts me I will happily consider what I’ve written. However, I have tested this with numerous people who agree with the conclusions, but I am open-minded.

      Finally, what I have concluded is not that John Paul and George didn’t want Pete out of the group, but just how they had to do it in the limited time available to them, and did it the wrong way. They were always going to get rid of him.

      Although you might see me as a hobbyist, I have been researching and writing about The Beatles for 17 years now, and Mark Lewisohn loves my previous books, as I love his books too. He sets the benchmark for any Beatles historian. I will leave it to others to tell you what they think of my other books and research.

      As for the new book, there is a lot of new information in there, and stories that haven’t been told before that I have uncovered. The price is high for the limited edition deluxe hardback, but a lower price regular book will follow in the future. I would never rip anyone off, as I am a fan too who buys lots of books.

      1. hey David Bedford,
        I *totally* enjoyed this edition of SATB; thanks very much for doing it with Robert, that was just great.

      2. David,
        I believe Dan “played” you for a response, but either way, your books are far from rip-offs, they are highly researched works with fresh insight on the early Beatles. You are my “go-to guy” for Pete Best information. Keep at it , please.

    3. Hi David M,
      Thanks for your comments. What do you base your opinion on? Did you see Pete with The Beatles? I didn’t as I’m too young, so I have interviewed numerous people over the years for their opinions.

      Mine is based on the evidence of drummers and other musicians in Liverpool at the time, plus analysis of his drumming in Hamburg and at Decca. I do not deny that “Love Me Do” in June 62 is terrible, and if that was the only evidence available I would agree with you. It is that performance that led to him being replaced.

      What other evidence can you add? Happy to listen to you.

      David Bedford

      1. Hi David, I did not see Pete Best with The Beatles (or any other drummer). I did live in your fair city for 4 years and met people who had and actually said he was better than Ringo, possibly relatives? I have only really listened to the Tony Sheridan record, and he sounds pretty average to my untrained years. I don’t doubt your meticulous research and your book sounds interesting, however I found that on the show a mountain was being made of a sizable molehill regarding the ending of his time with them. That was the reason for my flippant, not researched comment.

  3. It is a repeated rumour that the records were brought in from the sailors… The records were all availiable in the UK (Check Tune In).

    I like the theory about “too many different styles in the Decca audition” – funny this was the way Brian wanted to present thme.

    1. Hi Thorsten,
      Records were brought in by the sailors, as I have spoken to many Merseybeat musicians who had family or friends at sea who brought them the records. They also heard them from the American servicemen at Burtonwood. In an interview, John Lennon talked about the sailors bringing the records back from New York.

      However, I agree that all of these records became available in the UK. The advantage the Liverpool bands had was that they got the American records before the UK versions were released over here.

      So although the Cunard Yanks story is true, some people have tried to exaggerate the influence. I examine this in greater detail in “The Fab ne Hundred and Four”.

      Re: Decca. Yes it was a mistake, but Brian was a complete novice and got it wrong. However, it thankfully meant that they never recorded with Decca, and so got to work with George Martin.

      David

      1. The Cunard Yanks story is one of those colourful tales repeated verbatim in so many films and books, but in fact it was only one of several sources. For instance, a record shop called the Top Hat, in Dale Street, Liverpool, also stocked and sold many records from America in the Beatles pre-fame years. Also a writer friend on mine from Southport introduced the Beatles to a commercial American record catalogue when they appeared for an early gig in the town. Both John and Paul ordered and paid for several back numbers. Today, the myths still make for a good story.

  4. I think it was three years ago or so that I really started paying attention during Beatles’s songs to the drumming and what I noticed is Ringo plays to the same Rhythm as the guitarist the singer etc. He is like a human metronome. He may have been the first drummer like that and inspired many:)

    1. Tony DiMeo
      Exactly the same as me. I had never listened so closely to Ringo before, but he was, for me and for drummers, a pioneer in what he was doing. His intuitive way of playing was contrary to what was happening at the time.

      David

  5. Interesting how your guest grew up where Ringo lived as a kid. There are spots where his voice sounds like 1964 Ringo.

    What the guest says about drummers and Ringo changing parts throughout the song, Paul also does that on bass and in his songwriting. Suddenly, there’s an extra bar there that wasn’t there the first time through. Really weird and highly effective.

    Okay, you need to do a show on how… WHAT ARE THE CHANCES that these 4 guys just HAPPENED to come together and do what they did? It’s some kind of cosmic event. How many 20-23 year olds had that kind of talent… EVER??? Did these guys make some kind of animal sacrifice or something? All the sudden, they’re just these killer players and singers and can do NO WRONG and have this place in history. Mind boggling.

    SUCH a weird collision of events for this all to happen.
    Almost makes you wonder if those Conspiracy Theory/Government Engineered Master Plan suppositions aren’t true.
    (I’m totally joking, but how freaking amazing is it???)
    It’s like that bit in the National Lampoon mag from the 70s where the mad doctor created these guys in a lab.

    I DID miss that there wasn’t a “What if Pete Best played ‘The Immigrant Song’?” segment with the host’s interpretation…

  6. I always enjoy listening to David Bedford talk about the Beatles – his love for the subject shines through and piques my interest in the books. I don’t see how the theory posited here about the “sacking” of Pete is mutually exclusive to Lewisohn’s account. Lewisohn, if I recall correctly, paints a similar picture, with the group legally disbanding and then reforming without Pete minutes later.

    Anyway, a great listen…

  7. Great show. But I wish the author and Robert contrasted these ideas with what Lewisohn said in Tune In. It would have made it much clearer for me and more interesting.

    I’m not sure my views have changed much from what I read in Tune In. When authors stress that they use facts and evidence, I get a little suspect. I heard, and the author admits this above, spin on those facts. For me, just present your case and don’t stress you are using facts and evidence any more than any other is doing.

    Also, this show is on record as pointing out how bad a drummer Pete was. (One of the meanest shows ever.) I’m a bit surprised that Robert did not challenge the guest a bit. Robert seemed to be playing too nice. Perhaps he does agree with all these points. It seems to me that this author has a strong point of view and could take some challenges pretty well.

    By the way, a few of the shows lately have been gushing about the Beatles’ greatness, how good they are, how smart they are, etc. I hope this doesn’t continue. We are the choir here. It just bores me when guests gush about them. No substance.

    Still the best show. But I want a new host. I actually like the shows without guests better. Maybe Robert can just go solo. Just talk, Robert. See what happens. Could be fascinating.

    Matt

    1. There will be some rotating hosts in the other chair coming soon, Matt. I never wanted to do the show on my own – that would turn it into something akin to reading my books aloud. But in the response to your observation regarding David’s points, there was nothing I strongly disagreed with. I reserve further judgment until I read the book, but I found his logic solid; RE the opinion of Pete’s drumming, see my other comments on this page.

  8. RE: Pete Best / “Love Me Do” / June 1962

    Pete’s drumming has been lambasted ad naseum regarding this take of the track, but I have a hard time believing that Pete “wrote” that change of rhythm for the bridge part. It’s clunky and awkward and Pete plays it without too much finesse, but I’d bet this switch was on the direction of John and/or Paul.

    I find it interesting that this whole change of rhythm during the bridge was ultimately dropped, and both Ringo and Andy White tried nothing clever or inventive to replace it… they just played it straight. Ultimately, there ended up being no rhythmic change throughout the whole song.

    Another interesting point is how many takes it took to get a usable take of this track during the 9/4/62 session — somewhere between 15 and 20, correct? And, then the take marked “best” was was still shaky… I’d wager that the reason for the number of takes is that the band still initially tried running down the track with rhythmic change during the bridge, but then ultimately scrapped it midway during the takes when Ringo and the band couldn’t pull it off.

    Considering what went on with Ringo and the band during that 9/4/62 session, I’d say George Martin was still of the mind — “Right, then, this band STILL needs a session drummer” — and booked Andy White.

    Of course, I’m throwing around a lot of conjecture here and I could be accused of talking out my ace (We BeatlesGeeks love doing that! 😉 ), but Pete’s playing on this track and then George Martin’s “rearranging” of the timeline has always opened a lot of questions.

    Anyway, your podcast is exceptional — I love that it’s so analytical and historically based rather than being “fanboy”- or agenda-driven.

    1. Correction: This line is wrong: “Another interesting point is how many takes it took to get a usable take of this track during the 9/4/62 session — somewhere between 15 and 20, correct?”

      It should read: “Another interesting point is how many takes it took to get a usable take of this track during the 9/11/62 session — somewhere between 15 and 20, correct?” I was referring to Ringo’s playing here.

  9. What Brian may or may not have said at the meeting is a legal nicety. The other three wanted him out and asked Brian to do it. John admits it was a cowardly thing to do but in the end they were not close to him. David’s thesis is interesting and stimulating and adds to the debate.

    What interests me is that David stands up for Pete as a drummer. Robert on many shows has been vituperative about Pete despite the fact that they were the “best” live band in the North of England.

    1. My criticism of Pete is as a studio drummer. No contest: he may have had some energy, but he lacked completely in imagination, which I said in the show. But having now spoken directly to a few people who described what the experience was like in a live situation, I have to concur that whatever he did with the Atom Beat – hard, loud and pounding – clearly worked for them. It’s a matter of record that he had a solid fan base and that the Beatles, though they did hit a plateau, grew to become one of the top bands in Liverpool during his tenure.

      I think that David did a great job of articulating the big picture: that the Pete Best Beatles was a wholly different animal from the Ringo/Recording Beatles. They were evolving, and their signing with EMI coincided with the Brian era of playing different sets in theaters, rather then clubs and dance halls, as well as the original material creeping in. They didn’t change their approach because Pete left – it was a number of factors, including their own evolution.

    2. As I noted in a reply to another comment here, until, recently I only had descriptions in books to go on for how good Pete was as a drummer during their club days. The extant studio recordings speak for themselves in terms of the sameness – what he had in energy and punch, he certainly lacked in the more nuanced skills like swing and inspiration. But I am now willing to concede that he was clearly a powerhouse behind the kit in live sets – what is monotonous in the studio worked very well in a club setting. David has provided a more nuanced interpretation, also figuring in the booming power of Paul’s bass in making the Beatles such a singular attraction.

      Ultimately, it was a dead end though, and because they evolved and recruited someone with exactly the skills to compliment their new direction, they were able to grow and thrive.

  10. Hi David, I enjoy your books and the books that Pledge music does. I have no problem paying a little more for these books because of the nature and limited printings. However I went to order the volume for $90 and the shipping was $52, and that is just over the top. There has to be a better solution. I cannot justify paying more than half price of the book in shipping, even if it is coming from overseas.

  11. Extraordinary show although I’m still – STILL – not sold on Pete as a “powerhouse” live.

    Anyway – what’s happened to Richard? Did I miss an announcement?

    1. I don’t think “powerhouse” is meant in the same sense as a John Bonham or even a Johnny Hutch – in this case, a loud pounding beat, alongside Paul’s coffin cabinet bass speaker, made for a defining sound of the club-era Beatles that left an impression on everyone. I’ve now talked to enough actual witnesses to see where this is a common consensus. This not translate into more skilled beyond the aesthetic limitations we are all familiar with, however.

      Richard left the show in September.

  12. Michael Evangeline

    Quite a pretty track, Haymans Green. Pete Best has always been a gentleman when talking about the Beatles. His affection for John Lennon never waned. My inner feeling is that Pete had already won the lottery (his mother actually) and so did not share a certain ‘poverty line’ as the others (John having squandered his opportunities). Ringo fitted the ‘working class hero’ jacket better. And by the way, isn’t the “atom-beat” (ie,4 on 4) TECHNO?

  13. I always liked Pete Best. I wish they had kept him. He would have grown like the other Beatles and probably contributed a lot to their later albums. It’s a bloody shame. He seems like a good bloke.

  14. PEPPER remains one of the high points of music in the 20th century. In my opinion it is up there with the greatest symphonic works and song cycles of the classical composers. I do always wonder how would it be if STRAWBERRY FIELDS& PENNY LANE were on the album! It would be even more of a masterpiece.

  15. Interesting hearing the discussion around the first line of “How do you sleep ?”
    So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise

    I’ve always assumed John was referring to Paul coming up with the concept for the album (but English isn’t my first language)

  16. Listening to you and your guests talk about the books I read and re-read during my early obsession with the Fabs was a blast. I still have my copies of Growing Up With The Beatles, A To Z, Illustrated Record (the version that includes Double Fantasy), The Beatles Apart and of course The Beatles Forever. Special thanks to Nick Schaffner for The British Invasion, which led me to my #1 working class hero, Ray Davies.

  17. I loved this discussion… and all the editing you do is appreciated and shows. Thank you! And the songs you play to illustrate and highlight points are amazing.

    Even though pound-for-pound Revolver might be the better album, Pepper has the big advantage of an incredible structure that adds power to all the parts: audience noise, tension, then an explosion of rock brilliance ending in a brilliant change-of-pace outro to Billy Shears — so much playfulness and fun here, the audience laughing… Listen after listen, I always smile at how mystery superstar Shears turns out to be Ringo…. and to bookend it all, the fantastic reprise, and a sober last word with probably their greatest song ever. Its just unbeatable.

  18. P.S. Maybe not adding Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane to Pepper was the decent thing to do, fair play. To have included those works into Pepper would be like Mike Tyson putting metal in his gloves.

  19. Pepper was the first Beatles album I bought when I was 12 on the same day I got Beatles 1. Pepper was so compelling to me ever since then because it’s like nothing else from the Beatles.

  20. Michael St. Pierre

    I always suspected that when John was asked about ”Cry Baby Cry” in the Playboy Interview he just didn’t remember which song it was. It is such a generic title that he may have just thought it was some early song he didn’t recall. If the interviewer had been more on the ball he probably could have supplied a few details that would have tweaked John’s memory and produced an answer that would have been more informative.

  21. I’m a huge fan of It’s Only Love. It has an excellent melody over interesting chords and John’s vocal is charming. I even like the lyrics with their tight internal rhyming ala Dylan – though John is expressing vulnerability rather than Bob’s usual disdain.

    Why did he hate it so much? John preferred to write personal songs rather than pop fluff but a song about a couple who “must fight every night” could have been inspired by his marriage with Cynthia. I think there’s another reason he hated it: Paul recorded Yesterday on the 14th of June in 1965 with overdubs on the 17th. It’s Only Love was recorded on the 15th. Maybe the song reminded him of a battle he’d lost in their ongoing competition. Personally, I like It’s Only Love more but that’s just me..

    I liked that Autumn Defense song (Back Of My Mind) that ends the podcast a lot!

  22. I remember watching American Bandstand when the videos came for “Strawberry Fields” and “Penny Lane”. And the American fans that Dick Clark interviews were going “whoa” and “they look old” and the “mustaches”. It blew their connective minds (and mine).

  23. Ah, the musical theatre. Not only was Ringo on a riser, but book ending Paul and John with their mirrored guitars made them so unique. All other groups looked odd after that! Of course the Beatle bow sealed it.

    Glad Ringo gets his due!!

  24. I am 65 and a Beatles fan from GB since 1967 . Loved listening to this. It’s nice to hear other generations from other continent’s picking over music that’s so personal to me.
    Cheers

  25. The spliced Best-Ringo Money clip… Poor Pete, case closed. The Bedford Experience was a pleasure, was inspired by your story and thoughts David!

  26. In tune In there’s that story of Lennon and Pete trying to mug (roll?) the drunk guy in Hamburg. Mark Lewison doesn’t pay it any attention, and seems to write it off as boys will be boy. But I don’t know, it makes me wonder about them, especially about Pete (we know John was a mess). Neither of them were hardened roughs from the Dingle.

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